Victoria's Dark Secrets

EXPOSED! Read the shocking truth that's been buried for more than 100 years. In this extreme chapbook by Ed Sams, you'll find out what really lurked beneath her prim facade: blood curses, hidden scandals, even royal vampires!

Kit-Kat wrote:Still haven't found any trace of the missing volumes

John wrote:

Kit-Kat wrote:Still haven't found any trace of the missing volumes

What evidence do you have that these volumes actually existed?

John wrote:Wasn't there something on SL about this?

John wrote:Wasn't there something on SL about this?

I seem to remember that the only source was some spiritualist/believer who was writing about it.

If there are historians who think that some diary entries are missing then it may be worth delving in to, but if the only source of this story is a single believer then I wouldn't give the claim much credence.

It's a bit of a non-story anyway. Even if Victoria did believe in spiritualism it doesn't mean anything. Prince Charlie Farlie believes in homeopathy etc. All it means is that he's an idiot.

That's the future king you are slagging orf JJ, it will be the dungeons for you!

John wrote:
It's a bit of a non-story anyway. Even if Victoria did believe in spiritualism it doesn't mean anything. Prince Charlie Farlie believes in homeopathy etc. All it means is that he's an idiot.

Lilian Bailey knew there were people who required her to perform under the strictest test conditions before they would be prepared to accept the evidence of their own eyes and ears, and she always did her best to satisfy those demands, within reason. So when she received a request from a stranger to give a séance at a house in Kensington, she agreed. A limousine took her to a well-appointed property, then she was taken on to another address and was required to put on a blindfold during the journey so that there were no visual clues about the person or people she would be meeting. Again, she agreed.

She was eventually led into a room, where she sensed others were gathered, and was asked to conduct the séance, still wearing the blindfold. This was not a great hindrance, since Lilian Bailey often worked in trance. Puzzled but philosophical about the lengths to which people went to test her mediumship, the medium eased herself into a chair and soon felt herself drifting off into a trance, allowing her main spirit helper, Bill Wootton, and others in the next world to take over her body and speak through her lips.

In what seemed to her like no time at all, she returned to normal consciousness and was told she could remove the blindfold. As her eyes grew accustomed to the light she surveyed the sitters.

Sitting in a circle on gilt chairs were the Queen Mother, the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Margaret, Princess Alexandra and the Duke of Kent.

Royal biographer and Daily Telegraph court correspondent Ann Morrow included the story in her book, The Queen Mother, published by Granada in 1984. She had asked Gordon Adams if Lilian Bailey was unnerved when she removed her blindfold. He replied: "My mother-in-law had dealings with all sorts of people, such as the Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek and the King of Greece. So she did not feel intimidated by royalty; it was all in a day's work for her."

Since the Royal Family have never confirmed the story, can we be sure that this remarkable event actually took place?

Those who knew Lilian Bailey – who was awarded an OBE for services in France during World War I when she served with the Queen Mary's Army Auxiliary Corps – are adamant that she would not have invented such a story to boost her reputation. She was already famous and, since the story was never published during her lifetime, it did not affect her standing among Spiritualists or the public. That may not satisfy sceptics.

More to the point is an observation made by Ann Morrow. In writing her book, she received assistance from the Queen Mother and her Private Secretary, Sir Martin Gilliat. They saw proofs of the book and raised no objection to the inclusion of the report on the royal séance. The story was repeated, again without objection, in Ann Morrow's Without Equal: Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, published in July 2000 to mark her centenary.

After all, some years later King George VI told his speech therapist, "My family are no strangers to Spiritualism."

She was known to be sympathetic to Spiritualism, and to have held séances with Prince Albert and other individuals. She approved of the book Our Life After Death by medium Robert James Lees and was said to have used Lees as a personal medium. Her belief in the possibility of communication between the spirit world and the living is illustrated by an entry in her journal commenting on the story that Princess Feo-dora, when at the point of death, had talked about a beloved child who had died earlier: "Surely at the approach of death the veil is raised and such pure spirits are allowed to see a glimpse of those dear ones waiting for them."

John wrote:Even if the royals were or are into spiritualism, it has no bearing on the validity of it.

All it shows is that the royals are no different to anyone else and are just as prone to wishful thinking and false belief.

John wrote: And even that only applies if you believe that the royals are in some way superior to the rest of us (and if you do, I'll remind you of Charlie Farlie again )

Pixie wrote:Did I just agree with something you said?