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Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Kitkat on Thu 05 May 2011, 09:24

I came across this while searching for info on the missing diaries of Queen Victoria (sections said to have been destroyed pertaining to her profound interest in spiritualism and the alleged detailed communications she is said to have received from her 'beloved Bertie' through 'trance medium' John Brown)

EXPOSED! Read the shocking truth that's been buried for more than 100 years. In this extreme chapbook by Ed Sams, you'll find out what really lurked beneath her prim facade: blood curses, hidden scandals, even royal vampires!

http://www.curiouschapbooks.com/Catalog_of_Curious_Chapbooks/Victoria_s_Dark_Secrets/body_victoria_s_dark_secrets.html


Still haven't found any trace of the missing volumes (someone, somewhere must have a copy ...) but the chapters in this book - Victoria's Dark Secrets - makes very interesting reading.


Read CHAPTER 1 - The Dark Side arrow HERE
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Guest on Thu 05 May 2011, 13:59

Kit-Kat wrote:Still haven't found any trace of the missing volumes
What evidence do you have that these volumes actually existed?
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Pixie on Thu 05 May 2011, 14:51

I Googled Victoria's Secrets and got a face full of bras and knickers! lol!
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Kitkat on Thu 05 May 2011, 20:00

John wrote:
Kit-Kat wrote:Still haven't found any trace of the missing volumes
What evidence do you have that these volumes actually existed?

I did read something, somewhere, which went into quite a lot of detail about them. The writer seemed very knowledgeable on the subject (I think the implication was that one of V's daughters actually destroyed them - deliberately) but in that same article, suggested that someone (traceable at the time of the article) had read them before they were destroyed. Just can't find where I read all this. I'm pretty sure I saved to my favourites to read in full at a later date ... but can't for the life of me find it now.
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Guest on Thu 05 May 2011, 20:13

Wasn't there something on SL about this?

I seem to remember that the only source was some spiritualist/believer who was writing about it.

If there are historians who think that some diary entries are missing then it may be worth delving in to, but if the only source of this story is a single believer then I wouldn't give the claim much credence.

It's a bit of a non-story anyway. Even if Victoria did believe in spiritualism it doesn't mean anything. Prince Charlie Farlie believes in homeopathy etc. All it means is that he's an idiot.
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Kitkat on Thu 05 May 2011, 20:22

John wrote:Wasn't there something on SL about this?

Yes, I did post something there about it - but can't remember where. It was actually as a consequence of that article that I started delving further ... and did come up with something in much more detail, something very painstakingly and authentically researched ... That's the thing I can't find now.
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Pixie on Fri 06 May 2011, 08:20

John wrote:Wasn't there something on SL about this?

I seem to remember that the only source was some spiritualist/believer who was writing about it.

If there are historians who think that some diary entries are missing then it may be worth delving in to, but if the only source of this story is a single believer then I wouldn't give the claim much credence.

It's a bit of a non-story anyway. Even if Victoria did believe in spiritualism it doesn't mean anything. Prince Charlie Farlie believes in homeopathy etc. All it means is that he's an idiot.

http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=8104
Indeed, such was the ill-feeling that when Victoria died, her son King Edward ordered all records of their relationship, including correspondence and photographs, to be destroyed.
But a new archive of letters, pictures and Karims lost diary, held secretly by his family for more than a century, sheds new light on their relationship.
Well if a diary can turn up.........
"Prince Charlie Farlie" "an idiot"???
That's the future king you are slagging orf JJ, it will be the dungeons for you!
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Pixie on Fri 06 May 2011, 09:57

John wrote:
It's a bit of a non-story anyway. Even if Victoria did believe in spiritualism it doesn't mean anything. Prince Charlie Farlie believes in homeopathy etc. All it means is that he's an idiot.

Lilian Bailey knew there were people who required her to perform under the strictest test conditions before they would be prepared to accept the evidence of their own eyes and ears, and she always did her best to satisfy those demands, within reason. So when she received a request from a stranger to give a séance at a house in Kensington, she agreed. A limousine took her to a well-appointed property, then she was taken on to another address and was required to put on a blindfold during the journey so that there were no visual clues about the person or people she would be meeting. Again, she agreed.

She was eventually led into a room, where she sensed others were gathered, and was asked to conduct the séance, still wearing the blindfold. This was not a great hindrance, since Lilian Bailey often worked in trance. Puzzled but philosophical about the lengths to which people went to test her mediumship, the medium eased herself into a chair and soon felt herself drifting off into a trance, allowing her main spirit helper, Bill Wootton, and others in the next world to take over her body and speak through her lips.

In what seemed to her like no time at all, she returned to normal consciousness and was told she could remove the blindfold. As her eyes grew accustomed to the light she surveyed the sitters.

Sitting in a circle on gilt chairs were the Queen Mother, the Queen, Prince Philip, Princess Margaret, Princess Alexandra and the Duke of Kent.

Royal biographer and Daily Telegraph court correspondent Ann Morrow included the story in her book, The Queen Mother, published by Granada in 1984. She had asked Gordon Adams if Lilian Bailey was unnerved when she removed her blindfold. He replied: "My mother-in-law had dealings with all sorts of people, such as the Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek and the King of Greece. So she did not feel intimidated by royalty; it was all in a day's work for her."

http://paranormalreview.com/articles/20101223

Since the Royal Family have never confirmed the story, can we be sure that this remarkable event actually took place?

Those who knew Lilian Bailey – who was awarded an OBE for services in France during World War I when she served with the Queen Mary's Army Auxiliary Corps – are adamant that she would not have invented such a story to boost her reputation. She was already famous and, since the story was never published during her lifetime, it did not affect her standing among Spiritualists or the public. That may not satisfy sceptics.

More to the point is an observation made by Ann Morrow. In writing her book, she received assistance from the Queen Mother and her Private Secretary, Sir Martin Gilliat. They saw proofs of the book and raised no objection to the inclusion of the report on the royal séance. The story was repeated, again without objection, in Ann Morrow's Without Equal: Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, published in July 2000 to mark her centenary.

After all, some years later King George VI told his speech therapist, "My family are no strangers to Spiritualism."

Speaking of which....

http://spiritofpn.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/the-kings-speech-reviewed/

She was known to be sympathetic to Spiritualism, and to have held séances with Prince Albert and other individuals. She approved of the book Our Life After Death by medium Robert James Lees and was said to have used Lees as a personal medium. Her belief in the possibility of communication between the spirit world and the living is illustrated by an entry in her journal commenting on the story that Princess Feo-dora, when at the point of death, had talked about a beloved child who had died earlier: "Surely at the approach of death the veil is raised and such pure spirits are allowed to see a glimpse of those dear ones waiting for them."

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Queen_Victoria.aspx

Interesting stuff!
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Guest on Fri 06 May 2011, 11:17

Even if the royals were or are into spiritualism, it has no bearing on the validity of it.

All it shows is that the royals are no different to anyone else and are just as prone to wishful thinking and false belief.

So trying to prove the royals were 'into spiritualism' is simply a fallacious honour by association argument. And even that only applies if you believe that the royals are in some way superior to the rest of us (and if you do, I'll remind you of Charlie Farlie again Wink)
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Pixie on Fri 06 May 2011, 12:28

John wrote:Even if the royals were or are into spiritualism, it has no bearing on the validity of it.

All it shows is that the royals are no different to anyone else and are just as prone to wishful thinking and false belief.

I think it's safe to say that the Royals were and are into spiritualism. (I wonder how much mediums charge royalty? Or does one do it for free?)

But I do agree that it proves nothing as regards the "proof" of Mediumship.

Did I just agree with something you said? Shocked That will never do! geek

John wrote: And even that only applies if you believe that the royals are in some way superior to the rest of us (and if you do, I'll remind you of Charlie Farlie again Wink)

"Charlie" is an idiot and it has little to do with homeopathy! :king:
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Re: Victoria's Dark Secrets

Post by Guest on Fri 06 May 2011, 14:12

@Pixie wrote:Did I just agree with something you said? Shocked
It shows that you're learning.

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