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    Post by Kitkat Sun 14 Sep 2014, 16:38

    At last a Prime Minister with guts.

    The rest of the world could take a lesson from him.

    Hats off to Monsieur Fillon!
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     Prime Minister of France

    For once, a French politician has the courage to say out loud what the French think and sometimes cry out about.
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    Learning to live in peace and harmony ?

    Muslims who want to live under the law of the 'Islamic Sharia' ​have recently been told to leave France in order to guard against ​possible terrorist attacks, the government has targeted radicals.

    Apparently, the Prime Minister, Francois Fillon has angered some French Muslims in stating:
    "THOSE IMMIGRANTS, WHO ARE NOT FRENCH MUST ADAPT.  
    Take it or leave it, I am tired of this nation worrying about ​whether we are offending some individual or their culture.  Our culture has developed with struggles and victories by millions ​of men and women who have sought freedom.  Our official language is French, not Spanish, or Lebanese, or Arabic, or Chinese, or Japanese, or any other language.  Therefore, if you want to be part of our society, learn the language!

    Most French people believe in God.  This is not some Christian obligation, influenced by the rightists or political pressure, but it is a fact, because men and women founded this nation on Christian principles, and this is clearly documented.  It is then appropriate to display this on the walls of our schools?  If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your home, because God is part of our culture.  We will accept your beliefs without question.  All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in peaceful harmony with us.  

    This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, AND OUR LIFESTYLE.

    And we offer you the opportunity to enjoy all this.  ​But if you're tired of our flag, our commitment, our Christian beliefs, or our lifestyle, I strongly encourage you to take advantage of another great French freedom,

    THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

    If you are not happy here then LEAVE.  We did not force you to come here, you asked to be here.
    So accept the country YOU chose.    "

    Well said Mnsr. Fillon!
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    Post by Umberto Cocopop Mon 15 Sep 2014, 11:40

    To me, it just looks like the very same sort of intolerance that gives rise to this sort of situation in the first place. It's not too dissimilar to the historical attitude towards Catholics in Northern Ireland by the likes of Ian Paisley...

    Perhaps a more sensible route would be to go down the secular route.
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    Post by Kitkat Mon 15 Sep 2014, 12:42

    Umberto Cocopop wrote:It's not too dissimilar to the historical attitude towards Catholics in Northern Ireland by the likes of Ian Paisley...

    Huh?   Haven't you got that a bit back to front?  

    ... the Catholics were there first (before the English Protestants / Scottish Presbyterians )
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    Post by Umberto Cocopop Mon 15 Sep 2014, 14:13

    Kitkat wrote:Haven't you got that a bit back to front?

    The point I was making is that such an approach might seem reasonable when it's "us" dishing it out to "them" but what about when it's in reverse?

    This type of "you're not one of us" rhetoric is more likely to make things worse rather than better, IMO.
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    Post by Kitkat Mon 15 Sep 2014, 15:20

    Umberto Cocopop wrote:This type of "you're not one of us" rhetoric is more likely to make things worse rather than better, IMO.

    I hadn't looked on it that way - not actually how it came across to me.  The way I see it is "As "newcomers" here, stop dictating to us and telling us that our way is wrong, and trying to make us fit in with you.  It should be the other way around.  

    I am not too familiar with the current local politics in France, and there may be many underlying reasons and circumstances leading up to such a statement, so it would be wrong to make a judgement on the face of this recent policy statement without knowing all the details that have gone before (party political agendas etc ...) but the immigration situation in France is something that is quite high on the list I would imagine.
    When I lived in France (a lifetime ago) the then government, headed by Giscard d'Estaing, were discussing bringing in a policy of Repatriation - aimed mainly at the Algerian population (possibly Morroco and Tunisia also), where the sum of (I think it was the equivalent of £2,000 - [Please correct me if I am wrong, Stardust] was offered for those individuals who wished to return back home to Algeria.  Many, many Algerian workers were living in extremely harsh conditions, (and being exploited by landlords, squeezing 10 and 12 men into one room (meant for 2 maximum) with bunk beds packed in and covering every inch of floor space.  A lot of these people were working in menial jobs, earning the minimum pay - and sending every penny that they could back home to their families.
    That was, as I said, many years ago and undoubtedly the situation may be a lot different now - but the escalation of the situation in Syria and elsewhere now, and the threat of terrorism against "the West", may well have escalated some underlying problems which have been festering below the surface for some time.

    So, regardless of what the details may be on the policitical and economical scene, Monsieur Fillon's statement sounds pretty much fair and sensible to me.
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    Post by Stardust Wed 17 Sep 2014, 14:23

    Kitkat wrote:At last a Prime Minister with guts.
    The rest of the world could take a lesson from him.
    Hats off to Monsieur Fillon!

    François Fillon was the Prime Minister when Nicolas Sarkozy was President of France.

    Now François Hollande is President (since 2012) and the present Prime Minister is the very charismatic Manuel Valls.
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    Post by Kitkat Wed 17 Sep 2014, 18:16

    Stardust wrote:François Fillon was the Prime Minister when Nicolas Sarkozy was President of France.

    Now François Hollande is President (since 2012) and the present Prime Minister is the very charismatic Manuel Valls.

    Thanks, Stardust.

    Looks like troubled times for France at the moment.  Upheavals and dissent abound:

    This BBC report is from yesterday (16th September 2014) headed: 'French PM Manuel Valls wins confidence vote'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29218624

    French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has narrowly won a crucial confidence vote in parliament, despite a recent cabinet revolt over austerity measures.

    Deputies in the National Assembly voted 269 to 244 in favour of the government's policies.

    Mr Valls earlier defended reforms of his Socialist cabinet, saying they did not mean to destroy the welfare state.

    Opinion polls put President Francois Hollande's ratings at 13%, with almost two-thirds wanting him to resign.

    Mr Hollande has been hit by the cabinet revolt and criticised in a book by former first lady Valerie Trierweiler.

    He also faces the return of former centre-right President Nicolas Sarkozy to politics.

    Also, from that report, it looks as though Nicolas Sarkozy is set for a comeback:
    Meanwhile, Mr Sarkozy is set to return to the political fray by the end of the week, with the aim of leading the opposition UMP into the 2017 presidential election.
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