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Deep freeze for the dead - cryogenic preservation

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Deep freeze for the dead - cryogenic preservation

Post by Stardust on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 20:47

I've been reading about that 14 year-old English girl who had her body put into deep freeze and cryogenically preserved in the hope that some time in the future she can be brought back to life and cured of the cancer that she died of, allowing her to live a full life at that time.

There are already many other people 'sleeping' like this, but if their dead body is there, where is their spirit or soul? Has it moved on to an afterlife, is it dead, is it just dormant? If their spirit/soul has moved on, what will happen when their body is resuscitated?

If these people are revived and brought back to life in, say, 200 years, in what state will their heart and brain, in particular, be? Will they be physically and mentally capable of living a "normal" life or will they remain in a vegetative state?

Supposing that they were fine and in possession of all their faculties, there would probably be all sorts of hazards to overcome in order for them to stay alive: transport will move at super speeds, technology will be nothing like we know today, and work would be completely different in a futuristic world of which they know nothing.

In addition to this, all their loved ones would be long gone, and they would have no friends.

It would be almost impossible for them to adapt, so how would they survive?


Want to know more?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/0/23695785

http://www.cryonics.org/


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Re: Deep freeze for the dead - cryogenic preservation

Post by Whiskers on Sun 20 Nov 2016, 20:05

Its a fascinating subject.  I think if they havent done so already, they should set a time limit by which the body should be attempted to be revitalised.  I would like to think all of us will still be around when that happens, although I dont hold out much hope for it to be a success.  But then I suppose they thought that about a lot of things which turned out successful in the end and they would never have known if someone hadnt tested it out.

As far as the soul or spirit is concerned, it would be an interesting experiment to bring in a medium to see if the spirit is contactable and to find out some more that way.  Mediums have been known to communicate with the minds of a person with alzheimers or someone in a coma. They have somehow managed to contact a part of the mind that the living person has lost touch with.
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Re: Deep freeze for the dead - cryogenic preservation

Post by Kitkat on Mon 21 Nov 2016, 19:06

@Whiskers wrote:As far as the soul or spirit is concerned, it would be an interesting experiment to bring in a medium to see if the spirit is contactable and to find out some more that way.  Mediums have been known to communicate with the minds of a person with alzheimers or someone in a coma. They have somehow managed to contact a part of the mind that the living person has lost touch with.

That would indeed be an interesting exploratory situation, both from the scientific and spiritual approach.
It is certainly not unheard of for someone in a coma, or for the quite lucid mind of a person with Dementia to 'visit' with another living person, as well as the comatised person, on coming to, giving accounts of having visited and communed with people known to them who are deceased.  In the same way, we hear of the many accounts of people who have had a 'visit' from someone, either through apparition or in a vivid dream - and later to discover that the 'visit' was at the actual time of 'transition' (death) of that person, sometimes quite far away in another country.   Similarly, phonecalls are also known to have been received - and in some cases these 'visits'/'calls' have been from individuals long deceased.

I have read of quite a few accounts where a comatised person has communicated in such a way with a living person.  My intention was to do a search to see if I could find accounts of some of those situations, to post up here - but got somewhat diverted in my search, as through that I came across this rather unusual blog, which although not quite what I was looking for - is kind of related to the topic, and makes for interesting reading:
I've not read through the whole lot, but the story of how the blog came about follows - and then from there you can read about the first 'visits' - and so on.

Home page: Channeling Erik: Conversations with my son in the afterlife

Erik's Story:
On October 6, 2009, my 20-year-old son Erik, took his own life. Since that sad and tragic day, an overwhelming sense of grief and despair propelled me into a search for answers. Answers that would provide me and others with comfort and hope. Some of those answers came from the many books I bought, but many came from an unexpected source: Erik himself.

About Erik:
Erik Rune Medhus, my 20 year old son, took his own life on October 6, 2009. Since that sad and tragic day, an overwhelming sense of grief and despair propelled me into a search for answers. Answers that would provide me and others with comfort and hope. Some of those answers came from the many books I bought, but many came from an unexpected source…Erik, himself. Through dreams, visitations and channeling, he describes what happens during the death process, what the afterlife is like, what he does with his time there, what it feels like to be a free soul, the nature of thought and reality, the meaning of life and the human experience, as well as other matters. If you fear your own mortality, if you grieve over the loss of a loved one, or if you yearn to know the answers to these questions and more, please join me in this journey to enlightenment.
readmore  http://channelingerik.com/about-erik


Erik's first visits:
After Erik’s death, my entire family and I plunged into a state of numbness. We were shaken by a grief so profound each minute seemed like an eternity. Making the funeral arrangements from choosing a casket and burial plot to deciding what clothes he should wear in his perpetual sleep was an agony that clawed angrily at my heart. Every decision was gut-wrenching and insurmountable. All I wanted to do was lie down in a corner and sob. I’m so grateful for the inner strength my husband, Rune,  demonstrated. He too was in pain, but society mandates that the man must keep a stiff upper lip and muddle through on their own somehow. They are the silent, neglected grievers, the broken warriors who need just as much support and comfort as women.

In all the tragic turmoil, however, Erik came to provide us with comfort three times in as many days. The second night after his death, he came to my husband in an uncharacteristically vivid dream. In that dream, they were both standing near Rune’s new Ford F-350, a truck that my son drooled over with great pride. Then Erik said in joyous excitement, “I feel so wonderful! I’m so light and free. It’s an amazing feeling. Here, Pappa, feel.” And when Erik reached out to grab his father’s hands, Rune was overcome with a sense of intense euphoria unlike any sensation he’s had before. It was a feeling of joy, love, comfort, lightness and freedom that simply cannot be describe in our limited language as humans. After a few moments, Erik let go of Rune’s hands, leaned toward him and said, “This is what I felt like before.” Rune then felt the deep despair and darkness that had long tormented his son. The world felt heavy and unwelcoming. Rune knew Erik was trying to convey that he was fine, in fact happy for the first time in years. From that moment, healing for our family had begun.

Erik’s grandfather, José, had a similar experience. Let me preface this by saying that my father has never truly believed in life after death. To him, when the body dies, so does the soul. We all simply turn to dust. There is no immortality.  There is no God. There is no Heaven. Three days after my son’s death, my father called me to say that Erik had come to him in a dream. I could tell by his voice that he was quite shaken. He said Erik appeared to him as a small boy. He crawled into his lap and snuggled against his chest. My father felt, without a doubt, that Erik’s presence was real. He felt the warmth of his grandson’s small body and the love that emanated from his presence. Mind you, my father was wide-awake at the time. After a few moments, Erik looked up at his grandfather and recited a Spanish proverb that essentially translates as “things come in threes.” Dumbfounded by the encounter, my father exclaimed, “Why did this happen to me? What does it all mean? I feel so startled!” Erik’s visit challenged the very foundation of the staunch beliefs he had held for decades. As for the meaning behind the proverb, I wondered to myself if Erik was preparing my father and my mother, both in their 80s, for their own transition into the afterlife.

The third visit was to a family friend, Kelley. She has known all of my children since they were small, and our families have vacationed together several times. Erik was quite fond of Kelley, in particular. Shortly after his death, Kelley called me to recount a lucid dream she had had: “I saw Erik in a beautiful meadow sitting in a hammock with his back to me. Beside him sat a girl with long, light-brown hair.” (This may have been a former girlfriend who, 7 months earlier, suffered an accidental gunshot wound to the head by a drunken “friend” who thought he had unloaded his new revolver.) Kelley goes on to say, “People were milling around everywhere. I got the sense that everyone knew and loved each other and that they regarded Erik as some sort of celebrity. He seemed to have a movie star quality about him, like Brad Pitt. I moved closer to him and asked, ‘Why did you kill yourself, Erik? What could have possibly led you to do such a thing?’ Then he turned his head to look up at me with that charming, mischievous grin he was so famous for and began to sing a tune, ‘If you wanna be free, be free. Cuz there’s a million things to be,’ and then he calmly faced forward and hummed the rest of the song.” Kelley woke up with a start, wondering if the tune was indeed an actual song. Eager to verify her suspicions and lend meaning to the dream, she jumped out of bed, turned on her computer and typed the lyrics into the search window. The results stunned her because, although she hadn’t recalled ever hearing the tune before, it was an actual song composed and sung by Cat Stevens entitled, “If You Want to Sing Out, Sing Out.” Days after, the song appeared as a theme in a commercial for T-Mobile. Eventually, we would discover the true meaning behind that song as you will soon discover.

All of these dream visitations were of great comfort to my family and me although I wondered selfishly why he had not appeared to me, his own mother. In retrospect I believe I was too besieged by grief to open my mind and heart to him. But that would soon change.
readmore  http://channelingerik.com/

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