We are all in need of a good debate. So pretty please.
Don't be bringing that Discourse stuff over though, cos just read it and it's bloody boring.
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None taken - to paraphrase Steve Wright in the afternoon.krisisle wrote:Didn't mean to offend you.
Spiritlove is NOT a "believers' forum. It's a discussion forum with a cross-section of members of differing views and interests - interacting, discussing, sharing and debating those views and interests, some which may be of a spiritual/paranormal nature, some not. It's every individual's choice whether or not to partake, spectate or whatever in the topics of their choice.John wrote:Superficial beliefs with no evidential support (other than the fallacious 'personal experience' argument) don't really cut the mustard for me. And that's all you get on believers' forums.
noun pl. forums -·rums or fora -·ra (-ə)
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- the public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city or town, where legal and political business was conducted
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noun pl. forums fo·rums also fo·ra (fôrˈə, fōrˈə)
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Feather wrote:I'm tired of going round in circles
Feather wrote:-----But that's the whole point,kk. There's hardly ever anything new these days.
???, as you know, I have no time for faith. It's a halfway house that I won't enter. It is an admission of lack of knowledge. It encourages entry into a fools' paradise. That place does nothing for me. It is a retrograde step in the pursuit of knowledge.It's a cop out.
KitKat wrote:By the way ... I only need 30 points to topple your 'Find it' trophy. Little by little they are ALL being snatched from your clutches and you can't do a thing about it if you simply refuse to come back.
Well, at the risk of entering another conversation on 'the paranormal', I would say this simply comes down to psychology again. It's all about 'individual differences'.Feather wrote:I wonder why I can't have a personal experience that would convince me once and for all. It just doesn't happen. I ask myself what purpose does this serve? I find no answer that makes any sense to me. All my efforts with mediums have yielded very little.
They don't.krisisle wrote:How do you explain 2 people seeing the same thing at the same time. This happens often. How can their brains both be wired to see the exact same hallucination at the exact same time.
Just remember that I'm not on a mission to 'educate' or 'convert' people - I simply aim to understand things in a way that constitutes knowledge rather than belief.Feather wrote:Thank you for that post, John. I just may be your first convert. We'll see.
John wrote:We do seem to be far more intelligent than is required for mere survival.
If we accept evolution by natural selection (as I do) then I think that one thing that might have caused it is that we were at one time in a battle for survival with another species (most likely other human species) or more where intelligence was the survival factor and we eventually won.
The other species died out it which makes it look like we have intelligence for no particular reason - but it must have been driven by a survival advantage at some point.
No, quite the opposite. If we were truly rational and just viewed the world as the utterly random chance place that it seems to be (no ultimate purpose etc.) then what would be the point in reproducing?Feather wrote:And do you see our knowledge that we die as an evolutionary advantage?
John wrote:Although I can rant and rave about the paranormal and belief systems till the cows come home, I actually don't find it all that interesting. And when you're conversing rationally with believers about their belief system, you might as well be talking to a brick wall.
John wrote:You're now posting flame bait (!)
If I wanted to debate you I would - and I'd take you to pieces.
I'm just not interested. Do you get the message?
John wrote:I didn't start a discussion - I made a post to let the other members on here know that psi-wheels are nothing new and that we already know what's going on with them.
Guest wrote:Right, I'm outta here.
Guest wrote:Right, I'm outta here.
KitKat wrote:Guest wrote:Right, I'm outta here.
I'm really sorry to read this, and upset to see you go, John.
Sandstone, for your information, whatever you may have picked up on "that other forum", our John was a well-respected long-term member there who's valued input is sorely missed and will likewise be so here ... even moreso, as a friend and as someone that I and some others here know and have met personally.
Sandstone wrote:perhaps you can delete all of the posts pertaining to this issue
I think that would be an equitable solution to the problem, don't you agree?
KitKat wrote:Sandstone wrote:perhaps you can delete all of the posts pertaining to this issue
I think that would be an equitable solution to the problem, don't you agree?
No, I don't agree. In my view, censorship is a blinding and numbing tool of dictatorship. How can that ever be an equitable solution to any issue?
Feather wrote:You know all the acrimonious discussions I've had with John in the past, kk. I'm so glad that they are no longer happening but you cannot attribute any blame to a new member for his
"I'm outa here". Sandstone has every right to give her opinion on matters being discussed.The fact that she hasn't been aware of what it can lead to is not her fault. The only way to keep John here and happy would be to gag people who disagree with him. Personal friendships should be irrelevant.
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