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Practise or practice?

Post by Guest on 25th April 2011, 12:43

On another forum someone dared (Evil or Very Mad) to suggest that I mix up my use of of the verb practise with the noun practice.

The thing is, I do know the difference. e.g. A doctor practises medicine in his practice.

The question is, where do I get it wrong?

I really need to know as I don't like being wrong.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Kitkat on 25th April 2011, 13:17

John wrote:On another forum someone dared (Evil or Very Mad) to suggest that I mix up my use of of the verb practise with the noun practice.

The thing is, I do know the difference. e.g. A doctor practises medicine in his practice.

The question is, where do I get it wrong?

I really need to know as I don't like being wrong.

Well, why the hell didn't you ask that question on that "other forum" then?

That is one of the words that I always get mixed up with also - and I have to use it a lot at work. Where I'm not too sure, I just plump for "practice" which is generally accepted in both usages and no-one seems to notice (probably because no-one else knows the difference either ). I blame the Americans - most computer spell-checks will tell you that practice is ok. I'm forever shouting and swearing at that stupid spellcheck - even though I have mine fixed to UK-English version, we get stuff from other firms who obviously use the standard English-US version. hairpull

This link contains a very useful tip as a way of remembering the difference between the two:

http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/practice_practise.htm
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Guest on 25th April 2011, 17:19

Kit-Kat wrote:Well, why the hell didn't you ask that question on that "other forum" then?
I'd already left.

I think I sometimes come out with things like "homeopathy is a bogus medical practise". I use the 's' version as it's something you do. Perhaps that's where I'm going wrong?

I only have an 'O' level in English BTW - even then, I only got it at night school when I was 21. It's not my best subject!
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Kitkat on 25th April 2011, 17:23

So what was your best subject at school?
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Guest on 25th April 2011, 17:41

Somewhat predictably: the sciences.

Maths, physics, chemistry and biology - I was always good at, but I can't remember doing well in anything else.

I wasn't much of a student mind you. Never studied or did homework (always in trouble) but still managed to do well in the sciences.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Kitkat on 25th April 2011, 20:05

I never did science at school. Wish I had done. We had a really crappy choice of subjects to study on starting Secondary School - Science, Domestic Science or Italian! I chose Domestic Science out of the 3 - which I HATED with a hate I didn't even know I possessed. An hour and a half of (alternate days) Cookery, knitting, sewing hairpull Aaaargh! Involved biology too - which was the only part that I did enjoy. After a while of that, I just ended up "mitching" for the hour and a half. A long, out-of-bounds back avenue in the grounds of the school (convent) led right down to the seafront.

Hard to say which was my 'best' subject at school. I enjoyed all the other subjects I suppose, though music and art were my favourites - and languages I've always had a special interest in and still do. I never studied much at school either, which is quite funny because I always came second in everything - whatever the subject, and predictably, Jane Bailey always came first. Jane was the class swot, always swotting, never any time for fun, friends or frolics. Then, one day - don't know how it happened, but it did ... - I came first in a French exam. Shocked Everyone was shocked at this blip in the status quo ... I was surprised myself, but the biggest shock for me was that when the results were called out to the class ... Jane actually burst out crying! I heard that she went on to become a nun in one of the teaching orders. I would so love to find out what all my other class-mates went on to do, what direction their lives took them in. Love to go to one of those reunion things.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Guest on 25th April 2011, 20:53

Well I've always been one of those incredibly annoying people who does no work, no study or swatting yet still comes top of the class.

In my RAF days I trained to be an electronics technician and for most of the course I was out pubbing and clubbing and never did any revision for exams. And I still came top in most of them.

The key, of course, is to listen intently in class and let the stuff really sink in. I never take notes in lessons or lectures as I think it distracts you from concentrating on what's being taught meaning you only get a superficial understanding.

But I love learning. I know you and others on here like the paranormal stuff but seriously, it's an intellectual void. If you really want to be fascinated by stuff, science is the way to go. When I started my OU degree I began it with the science foundation course and even though I was always a science head, it absolutely opened my eyes (and mind) to all sorts of things. It was a mixture of physics, chemistry, biology and earth sciences.

I measured the diameter of the moon from my back garden, I crushed living plant cells and looked through a microscope to capture the moment of cell division taking place, I made chemical compounds and analysed them to work out their chemical formulas, and learned how plate tectonics allow the movement of the continents (and give rise to earthquakes, volcanoes, etc.) - and lots more.

All of this with the background of scientific understanding.

Honestly, after studying just that one introductory course it felt like I had a perspective on the world that was many times wider than before. I did many other courses too (mainly physics and chemistry) and I spent the last 4 years doing all the modules required to get a BPS accredited degree in psychology. Got a 2.1 without really trying!

Then I get accused of being 'closed minded' by someone who thinks they're 'open minded' because they believe in the possibility of ghosts or similar!

But my point is that the real stuff, the scientific study of nature, is infinitely more fascinating than simply believing in 'the possibility' of something that's incredibly unlikely. The trouble is: scientific understanding requires effort and learning - flaky paranormal stuff simply requires belief.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Kitkat on 25th April 2011, 21:55

John wrote:Well I've always been one of those incredibly annoying people who does no work, no study or swatting yet still comes top of the class.
Haha ... same for me, except it was always second, but tbh honest that never really bothered me - it was never about competition for me, I knew that if I just took the time to study up I could easily make first, but that really wasn't what it was all about for me - there was just so much else in life to discover and experiment with and anyway, all the stuff we were being taught at school was not new to me; I was always on a different plane to my peers, off on a tangent and never one to conform. I almost ate the volumes of Children's Encylopaedias we had at home, which covered every subject under the sun, factual and other. Interested in psychology from a very early age, I wanted to know what makes us tick as human beings and never found satisfaction in simply "learning" what others dictated, simply from their individual point of view, unchallenged and unchallenging set course stuff entrenched into others en masse. It disappointed my parents, I know, when even though I had more than enough of the required qualifications to go to uni, I decided against it. I travelled the world .. but never as a "tourist", that was my most valued education and in doing so gained more of an education than ever would have been available to me within what I considered the restricted confines of academia.

The key, of course, is to listen intently in class and let the stuff really sink in. I never take notes in lessons or lectures as I think it distracts you from concentrating on what's being taught meaning you only get a superficial understanding.
Agree absolutely with that.

But I love learning. I know you and others on here like the paranormal stuff but seriously, it's an intellectual void.
This, I disagree with - vehemently. It really is not a case of "either / or" ... "AND" is the important word here. The "paranormal stuff" as you call it, the philosophies, the mysteries, the wonders and discoveries that go with it should be all-inclusive in one's learning. That's where the missing links are to be found. One - without the other - is incomplete, and always will be.
From my perspective, neither one nor the other is about "belief". True learning is all about experiment and discovery - wherever you're coming from. One follows the other in a never-ending cycle.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Feather on 26th April 2011, 09:51

Well hello, you two. I hope it's ok to butt in here. I think you both require my input! 8) 8)

Kitkat---I appreciate that travelling extensively broadens the mind and educates to a great extent BUT if you haven't lived "within the confines of Academia", you can have no idea what you've missed. No doubt you have a high IQ but intelligence is not the same as knowledge. Wink
The four years I spent at university were among the best in my life--and I don't mean the dancing, romancing etc. Those were only a bonus. I got my MA degree in English(advanced, with distinction),History(advanced), Psychology, Moral Philosophy, Latin and Geology.
Then I took Teacher Training to teach in Grammar School. That took another year. The lecturer there told me I was "a born teacher"--whatever that means. The bottom line here is the huge gap in my education I would have incurred if I had travelled the world instead.
It works both ways, KK. Wink

John---you are to be congratulated on your initiative and industry. It is not an easy thing to set out on course after course but I'm sure it was all of great value to you.I just have a few little words of chastisement for you: you should have tried harder in the English class. Let me put you out of your misery. Many of the rules of spelling depend on a knowledge of grammar(and other languages, especially Latin and Greek). If the word you want to use is a noun(the name of something) it is most often spelt with a "c".If it is a verb(a word of doing or being) it has an "s". In the case of "practice" and "practise", it goes like this:- I need TO PRACTISE the piano (verb).
I am going to THE CHOIR PRACTICE (NOUN).
I hope I've been of some service to you, always in the knowledge that you could no doubt teach me a great deal more than I could teach you. cheers xxx.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Guest on 26th April 2011, 10:54

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But I love learning. I know you and others on here like the paranormal stuff but seriously, it's an intellectual void.
This, I disagree with - vehemently. It really is not a case of "either / or" ... "AND" is the important word here. The "paranormal stuff" as you call it, the philosophies, the mysteries, the wonders and discoveries that go with it should be all-inclusive in one's learning.
The thing is, if you take a science subject, you are taught the theory (or the current paradigms that give rise to knowledge), show how theory is supported by evidence, apply theory to make practical predictions and observe phenomena occurring (which can further inform theory etc.)

With the paranormal you don't get any of this. It's really just a collection of hypotheses (unconfirmed ideas) or if you want to be a bit more cutting, a series of excuses masquerading as science. There are no successful paradigms, no (scientific) theories, no reliably observable phenomena etc. Now, it is a rich area of study if you're a psychologist interested in why people believe in things that aren't real - but that's another story!

I just want to reiterate what feather said (when reiterating what I said Smile) that until you've ever done high-level education you really don't know just how mind expanding it is. And when you appreciate the vast expanse and complexity of the sciences (as well as their wonder) and you compare it to the void that is parapsychology you can see that there's really no comparison.
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Post by Guest on 26th April 2011, 10:57

@Feather wrote:If the word you want to use is a noun(the name of something) it is most often spelt with a "c".If it is a verb(a word of doing or being) it has an "s". In the case of "practice" and "practise", it goes like this:- I need TO PRACTISE the piano (verb).
I am going to THE CHOIR PRACTICE (NOUN).
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I am going to the choir practice because the choir are practising tonight.

Would that be correct?

That's how I would normally write it.

Yes, I really should brush up on my English. I can spell and punctuate reasonably well and that probably makes me look like I know more than I do.
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Feather on 26th April 2011, 11:04

That is correct, John. Btw, that is the only spelling mistake I have ever noticed from you. You spell the longest words perfectly. My trouble is a failing memory. I can't sometimes remember whether a word ends with "er" or "or". It's lovely to talk to you about other things than---you know what. sunny
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Post by Guest on 26th April 2011, 11:08

I did have an online friend several years ago who used to proof read my articles and she taught me how to right proper.

We should start up a spelling and grandma section on here!
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Re: Practise or practice?

Post by Feather on 26th April 2011, 16:02

Right on, John!



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Post by Kitkat on 26th April 2011, 18:52

John wrote:I just want to reiterate what feather said (when reiterating what I said Smile) that until you've ever done high-level education you really don't know just how mind expanding it is. And when you appreciate the vast expanse and complexity of the sciences (as well as their wonder) and you compare it to the void that is parapsychology you can see that there's really no comparison.

I accept what you're [both] saying, but a lot of that can be self-taught ... there are numerous resources if one has the appetite, inclination and enthusiasm and knows where and how to look. :thumb:
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Post by Feather on 26th April 2011, 23:26

----and without the pressure of degree exams. Still, it's satisfying to be capped and to have letters after your name as a reward for all your effort. study :cherry: .



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Post by Kitkat on 28th April 2011, 12:18

At work at the moment.

Earlier, I came in here to check on the correct form for 'practice' or 'practise' as I'm using it in a document.

The doc has been sent back to me - corrected, with the 's' crossed out and a 'c' put in its place.

Just can't win in this practice - no matter how much practice or practise I put into it in the practice or practise of practice or practise just cannot be perfected.

Practise (or practice) does NOT make perfect! Neutral
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Post by Guest on 28th April 2011, 13:09

Kit-Kat wrote:Practise [Practice] does NOT make perfect! Neutral

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